Friendship stories that lean on the conventional idea of mateship for men, tea-and-sympathy for women, are pretty much past their use-by date now.

Boys can bitch, and girls can stand tall.

But are the basics still the same when it comes to writing about buddies?

Kayla Rae Whitaker (The Animators) and Will Kostakis (Sidekicks) talk to Madelaine Imber about creating different characters, making us care about them, and giving them freedom to surprise us.